Sig Sauer P226

Boyd Percy Guest	Sig Sauer P226 Nov 20, 2018 23:00:55 GMT -5 Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Back to Top Post by Boyd Percy on Nov 20, 2018 23:00:55 GMT -5 This is the pistol that Cody Archer used. It is also the pistol that US Navy SEALS used twenty years. I read where that they are changing to use a Glock instead.

nqs
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Sig Sauer P226 Dec 31, 2018 23:22:08 GMT -5

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Post by nqs on Dec 31, 2018 23:22:08 GMT -5

More: <https://navyseals.com/weapons-demo/m11/>

However, I can only find news the SEALs might switch to Tactical Tupperware, not actually confirmation.

Incidentally, Wes made a common mistake concerning the p226 in Stray Kitten, the same as in Last Place, although that one also either has a wrongly categorized pistol, or a character with either a "law letter", or who is a felon.

Not Wes
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Sig Sauer P226 Jan 1, 2019 18:09:02 GMT -5

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Post by Not Wes on Jan 1, 2019 18:09:02 GMT -5

Dec 31, 2018 23:22:08 GMT -5 nqs said:

Incidentally, Wes made a common mistake concerning the p226 in Stray Kitten, the same as in Last Place, although that one also either has a wrongly categorized pistol, or a character with either a "law letter", or who is a felon.

nqs
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It's all meaningless to me. I know nothing about guns. My regular contact for gun details finds references to a law letter (the one you mention?), but it's for "machine guns," nothing that relates to the Sig p226.

Can you point out the mistake Wes made in Stray Kitten (and Last Place You Look?)? I'll fix 'em if I can. May not be able to. You can contact me directly if you wish via the e-mail address on the contact page if a response is too complicated or lengthy for here.

Thanks
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Not Wes

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Sig Sauer P226 Jan 6, 2019 7:27:07 GMT -5

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Post by nqs on Jan 6, 2019 7:27:07 GMT -5

I'd have re-read the books again, (working on Best Served Cold now), but in Stray Kitten Cody mentions several times firing clips from his pistol. The P226 doesn't use clips. While certain "rifle based" pistols can utilize clips to feed their magazines, they are not required. The last example I am aware of a clip fed pistol I am aware of would be the various copies if the C96 from the 1930's. The majority of clip fed pistols were produced before the 20th century, actually a very interesting period in firearm history.

In Last Place You Look, the neighbor mentions firing some clips through a CZ machine pistol. While Cody and the SEALs may like the Sig, I'm a die-hard CZ fan. My EDC is a Italian clone, I own several others, both legit and clones.

The problem I see is two fold. First, to the best of my knowledge, the only clip fed machine pistols are certain Spanish copies of the c96 (and maybe Chinese, I can't remember if they only imported the former, or manufactured their own also), and the Repetierpistole M1912/P16
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steyr_M1912#Repetierpistole_M1912/P16>.

Considering "t is considered the world's first machine pistol, only 960 M1912/P16 were made.", I know if I had one I would not be so casual about firing such a valuable weapon.

However, The pistol is supposedly a CZ. The problem is the only machine pistol produced by CZ is the CZ-75 selective fire variant, first produced in 1992 <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CZ_75#Others>. However, it doesn't use clips.

The other half of the issue is the Hughes amendment to the Firearm Owners Protection Act (FOPA) <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firearm_Owners_Protection_Act#Ban_on_new_automatic_firearms>. This banned civilian ownership of automatic firearms manufactured after May or 1986. The only way the possess one is to be a manufacturer, Military or Law Enforcement agency, or, if a FFL regularly deals with said agencies, they can have a letter on file (commonly known as a "law letter"), that allows the dealer to keep "samples" in stock for testing by the agencies. Said samples can only be transferred to an agency, or to another "law letter" holder.

As a side note, while the Hughes amendment hasn't reached SCOTUS, they have upheld the NFA on the basis it is a tax (similar to how they justified ObamaCare). Several circuit courts have said it is invalid, because the ATF won't accept the tax.

Also, the current issues with bumpstocks was caused by the Hughes amendment (Necessity being somethings mother...). Since normal subjects can no longer buy new automatics, a replacement had to be found. A $200 stock beats an average price of $30K, plus the $200 NFA tax, and average 6-24 wait for FBI background check for a transferable machinegun.

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Sig Sauer P226 Jan 6, 2019 19:16:21 GMT -5

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Post by Boyd Percy on Jan 6, 2019 19:16:21 GMT -5

Thanks for the information. If you or anyone else have corrections or changes to any of the books written by Wes Boyd, you should post them on the Forum. Wes left behind a file that contains suggested changes or corrections submitted by readers and editors over the years. He never got around to fixing all of them. You can still find typos and errors in Rocinante and all of the others ones. I've read every book at least three times (Snowplow Extra) and a few as many as ten times and don't ever remember seeing any that were totally clean.

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Sig Sauer P226 Jan 7, 2019 4:08:58 GMT -5

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Post by Colin on Jan 7, 2019 4:08:58 GMT -5

"Clip" is often used as a slang term to mean "magazine", especially by non-gun users who don't know the difference.

The type of 'clip' that nqs is talking about is strictly called a "stripper clip" and is used to load certain types of firearms that have non-detachable magazines.

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Sig Sauer P226 Jan 8, 2019 15:01:23 GMT -5

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Post by nqs on Jan 8, 2019 15:01:23 GMT -5

To simplify, a clip feeds a magazine, a magazine feeds a firearm. Ian has a (almost) two hour lecture on it @ <https://youtu.be/G3zQb3KZpNM>, but it boils down to the preceding statement.

@boyd, I was was going to mention it, but with Wes's death I rethought it. One does not speak ill of the dead.

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Sig Sauer P226 Jan 9, 2019 10:33:08 GMT -5

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Post by Not Wes on Jan 9, 2019 10:33:08 GMT -5

Jan 8, 2019 15:01:23 GMT -5 nqs said:

To simplify, a clip feeds a magazine, a magazine feeds a firearm. Ian has a (almost) two hour lecture on it @ <https://youtu.be/G3zQb3KZpNM>, but it boils down to the preceding statement.

Within the first minute of the linked video, Ian states that even the people who manufacture and sell guns use the terms magazine and clip interchangeably. In the informal stories Wes writes, we editors think he can get away with it also. We'll also likely allow the other issues to stand as written, too. We'll review those again when we get to those books and make final decisions then, considering the time period in which the story takes place.

Thanks,

Not Wes

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Sig Sauer P226 Jan 12, 2019 13:17:47 GMT -5

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Post by nqs on Jan 12, 2019 13:17:47 GMT -5

Yeah, "magazine/clip" is one of those things that is common, and on who and where. Sort of like <https://xkcd.com/243/>.

I think the more pressing issue would be the following from "Last place":

"Max was a gun collector and was enthusiastic about it; he’d recently managed to find some sort of an oddball Czech full-auto machine pistol he seemed to be excited about."

Since Max is at least 70, the possibility of him having a FFL (other than a type 03) and a Law Letter is diminishing, but not impossible.

The only CZ machine pistol was made eight years after it was possible for us citizens to legally own. My suggestion would be to replace "machine pistol" with "machine gun", "gun" or "firearm".

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Sig Sauer P226 Jan 12, 2019 13:45:11 GMT -5

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Post by Not Wes on Jan 12, 2019 13:45:11 GMT -5

Jan 12, 2019 13:17:47 GMT -5 nqs said:

The only CZ machine pistol was made eight years after it was possible for us citizens to legally own. My suggestion would be to replace "machine pistol" with "machine gun", "gun" or "firearm".

One quandry is that there are LOTS of illegal guns around. We'll look into it when we start reviewing that book. It'll be a while, at least this summer. We gotta catch up with what we're doing now first.

Everyone else, keep sending typos and possible mistakes like this in, either here or to the not.wes e-mail on the contact page.

Thanks,

Not Wes

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Sig Sauer P226 Dec 20, 2019 14:29:44 GMT -5

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Post by Not Wes on Dec 20, 2019 14:29:44 GMT -5

Dec 20, 2019 13:06:52 GMT -5 JoeTek said:

We are currently beta testing the computer software and seeking beta tester and software reviewers. . . . . or just respond to this thread.

And what is this useful for in our context? Before anyone clicks on the links provided.

Not Wes

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Boyd Percy Guest	Sig Sauer P226 Dec 21, 2019 0:02:18 GMT -5 Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Back to Top Post by Boyd Percy on Dec 21, 2019 0:02:18 GMT -5 Good eyes, NW!

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Sig Sauer P226 Jan 2, 2020 19:23:29 GMT -5

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Post by Not Wes on Jan 2, 2020 19:23:29 GMT -5

I just nuked another one in this same thread, likely the same guy spamming under a different name. I'll keep watch and delete ones I see. If anything sticks around longer than a day, let me know as I might have missed it.

Nuked another one 1/5/2020 about 11:30 a.m. my time (west coast USA).

Nuked another one 2/14/2020 about 6 a.m. my time (West coast USA time), though it was posted about 3 hours before that.

Nuked another one here in this thread, 5/8/20 about 4:35 a.m. my time here on the West Coast, though it was posted about 9 hours before that. Didn't check last night before I "retired."

Nuked another in this thread 5/8/2020 about 6:10 p.m. our time here. Post was about 5 hours old.

Nuked another in another thread 5/8/2020 about 9:50 p.m. our time. Post was only an hour old or so.

Nuked another in this thread 5/15/2020 about 9:05 a.m. our time Post was about 3 hours old.

Deleted another spam in another thread 6/4/2020 about 8:30 p.m. Post was about an hour old.

Deleted another spam in another thread 6/25/2020 about 9:30 p.m. Post was about 6 hours old and the guy forgot the link.

Deleted another spam in another thread 6/28/2020 about 8:30 p.m. Post was less than an hour old.

Deleted another spam in another thread 8/23/2020 about 6 a.m. Post was about 16 hours old, and I didn't notice it last night before I shut down.

Deleted another spam in another thread 9/12/2020 about 7:50 p.m. posted about 2 hours before that.

Deleted another spam in another thread 9/21/2020 about 9:40 a.m. posted about 4 hours before that.

Deleted another spam in same thread as above 9/22/2020 about 5:45 p.m., posted about 8 hours before that. I didn't see it this morning.

Deleted another spam in another thread 9/24/2020 about 4:15 p.m., posted 7 hours earlier.

Nuked another spam in another thread 9/27/2020 about 9:50 a.m., posted 4 hours earlier.

Deleted a spam in this sig sauer thread 10/1/2020 about 6:50 a.m., posted about an hour before that.

Deleted a spam in another thread 10/5/2020 about 5:40 a.m., posted 6 hours before that.

Nuked another spam in another thread 10/7/2020 about 7:45 p.m., posted 10 minutes before that.

Deleted two spams in a different thread (both in the same one) 10/18/2020 about 2:15 p.m., one posted 8 hours before, another posted 2 hours before.

Deleted a spam in a different thread 11/14/2020 about 2:20 p.m., posted about 4 hours earlier.

Deleted a spam in this thread 1/23/2021 about 4:40 a.m., posted about an hour before that time.

Deleted another spam post in this thread 1/25/2021 about 1:10 p.m., posted about 2 hours previous.

Deleted another spam post in this thread 2/14/2021 about 8 p.m., which was posted about 2 hours previous.

Deleted another spam post in this thread 2/15/2021 about 7:30 a.m., which was posted an hour previous.

Deleted another spam post in this thread 2/18/2021 about 7 p.m., which was posted about 12 hours ago. (Our power just came back on and I'd been offline for a while, sorry folks.)

Deleted another spam post in this thread 2/19/2021 about 8:30 a.m., which was posted about 7 hours previous.

Deleted another spam post in this thread 2/23/2021 about 10 a.m., which was posted about 14 hours previous.

Deleted another spam post in this thread 9/11/2021 about 11 a.m, which was posted about 7 hours previous.

Deleted another spam post in this thread 10/23/2021 about 8:40 a.m., which was posted about 8 hours previous.

Deleted another spam in the Wes thread 11/9/2021 about 7:40 a.m., posted a couple days before (11/7/21 about midnite).

Deleted another spam (Russian) in the Wes thread 11/14/21 at 7:15 p.m., posted this morning about 6 a.m.

Deleted another spam post in the Wes thread 11/15/21 at 6:40 a.m., posted about an hour previous.

Another spam post deleted in the Wes thread 11/20/2021 about 2:55 p.m., posted about 20 minutes before that.

Another spam post deleted in the Wes thread 11/29/2021 about 4 p.m., posted about 3 hours previous.

Two more spam posts deleted in the Wes thread 12/11/2021 about 6:15 a.m. One posted about 16 hours before, the other about 45 minutes before.

Deleted 3 spams in the Wes thread by the same guy 12/15/21 about 6:10 a.m. all posted about 6 hours before.

Deleted 5 spams in the Wes thread 12/23/21 about 6:30 a.m., likely all by the same guy, 2 different names though, all posted from 6 hours to 2 hours before.

Two more spams deleted in the Wes thread 12/23/21 about 2:15 p.m., posted an hour before for the first, about a minute before for the second. Likely the same guy as the ones deleted this morning.

Deleted another spam in the Wes thread 1/2/22 at 4:20 p.m., posted about 2 hours previous to that.

Deleted another spam in the Wes thread 1/4/22 at 7 a.m., posted about 2 hours previous to that.

Deleted another spam in the Wes thread 1/4/22 at 2 p.m., posted about an hour previous to that.

Deleted a spam in the Wes thread 1/8/22 at 6:15 a.m., posted 20 minutes previous to that time.

Nuked another spam in the Wes thread 1/9/22 at 6:15 a.m., posted about 6 hours previous.

Deleted another spam in the Wes thread 1/27/22 at 1:40 p.m. posted about 10 minutes previous.

Deleted 3 duplicate posts in the "books in a series" thread 1/29/22 in the evening sometime, posted maybe an hour before that. No links provided, likely a newbie, but seemingly wanting to know "how to get rich". Just a troll?

Deleted another spam in the Wes thread 1/30/22 at 7 a.m. posted about 5 hours previous.

Deleted another spam in the Wes thread 1/31/22 at 6:15 a.m., posted about a half hour previous.

Deleted another spam in the Wes thread 1/31/22 at 7:30 p.m., posted about an hour previous.

Deleted another spam in the Wes thread 2/2/22 at 6 a.m., posted 20 minutes previous.

Deleted another spam in the Wes thread 2/4/22 at 6:15 a.m., posted about 8 hours previous.

Deleted two more spams in the Wes thread 2/4/22 at 7:45 p.m., posted about 10 minutes previous.

Nuked another spam in the Wes thread 2/5/22 at 6:40 a.m., posted about 7 hours previous.

Nuked 3 spams in the Special Needs thread 2/6/22 at 3:10 p.m., all posted about 2 hours previous.

Deleted a spam post in the Wes thread 2/9/22 at 7 a.m., posted about 6 hours previous.

Deleted a spam post in the Wes thread 2/12/22 at 7:45 a.m., posted about 4 hours previous.

Deleted another post 2/15/22 about 6:30 posted an hour before like the one on 1/29/22 above, same thread, wanting to know again "how to get rich." Similar wording so maybe the same person.

Deleted a spam post in the Wes thread 2/27/22 about 6:20 a.m., posted about an hour before.

Deleted another spam in the Wes thread 2/27/22 about 8:30 p.m., posted about an hour before.

Deleted a spam post in the Wes thread 2/28/22 about 5:45 a.m., posted about 5 hours before.

Deleted a spam post in the Wes thread 3/1/22 about 6:25 a.m., posted about an hour before.

Deleted a spam post in the Wes thread 3/2/22 about 1:30 p.m., posted about an hour before.

Deleted 3 spams in the Continuing Stories thread 3/4/2022 posted by LimaoWaymn again 4 hours previous, wanting to know how to get rich. same wording no links.

Deleted 3 spams in the Wes thread 3/5/2022 at 7 a.m., posted about 7 hours previous.

Deleted 3 spams in the Wes thread 3/6/2022 at 2:40 a.m., posted about 8 hours previous.

Deleted a spam in the Wes thread 3/7/2022 at 4:25 p.m., posted about 2 hours previous.

Deleted a spam in the Wes thread 3/18/2022 at 7:15 a.m., posted about 5 hours previous.

Deleted a spam in the Wes thread 3/19/2022 at 6:55 a.m., posted about 6 hours previous.

Deleted 2 spams in the Wes thread 3/25/2022 at 6:55 a.m., 1 posted about 7 hours previous and the other 2 hours previous.

3/31/2022 there are now three additional moderators, Boyd Percy, weasalopes, and sltmodajh, so spam should usually be caught fairly early.

4/5/2022 I know Boyd Percy has deleted likely 10 spams since the one just above. I just deleted one in the Wes thread at 4 p.m., my time, posted about 4 minutes before that.

Not Wes

Locked the top two threads to prevent spammers using them. Anthony (sltmodajh)

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