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Post by Ernest Bywater on Aug 10, 2018 22:56:53 GMT -5
Today I had someone ask me about the Creative Commons Copyright applied to Wes Boyd's works. I checked the website and the many e-pub books I've bought in the past (with Rag Doll being the most recent), and not one of them has a Creative Commons Copyright License listed.
I know the website has had the Creative Commons on the website design and web pages for some time, but when I open the stories listed on the main page as being posted after Winter Layoff the stories have the Creative Commons Copyright License on them. I can't remember seeing that there before, and I wonder if the addition of the Creative Commons Copyright License is really intended to be there. It's important, because the Creative Commons Copyright License gives approval for people to write derivative works as long as they don't do so for any commercial reason. Thus they can write fan fiction as long as they don't sell it.
If it's intended to allow people to freely share copies of Wes' works and to write fan fiction this should be clarified to people if it isn't, the website should be fixed so the Creative Commons Copyright license doesn't show on the copyright information page of the stories.
Regards,
Ernest
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Post by Ernest Bywater on Aug 10, 2018 23:07:53 GMT -5
Looking closer to the copyright page, I suspect the Creative Commons Copyright license (CCCL) is in the wrong place, but should be further down the page because when you go down the page you have the standard copyright statements followed by one that says:
The cover image is released free of copyrights under Creative Commons CC0.
If the info on the CCCL is below this it would be clear the CCCL relates only to the image, which is what I think was Wes' intention. If he had meant it to apply to the characters he wouldn't have had the opening line of 'All rights reserved' there.
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Post by Jon on Aug 12, 2018 18:27:42 GMT -5
This is at the bottom of each chapter page of "Susan":
Creative Commons License (funky graphic)
This work is licensed under a
Creative Commons Attribution-Noncommercial-No Derivative Works 3.0 United States License.
The funky "Creative Commons" graphic doesn't copy across to the Forum. Is this what you mean?
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Post by Ernest Bywater on Aug 12, 2018 20:24:39 GMT -5
The Creative Commons Copyright License (CCCL) is used to allow other people to share material without having to go through all of the hoops normally associated with copyright situations. It's because of this it opens with:
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You are free to:
Share - copy and redistribute the material in any medium or format.
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Then it goes on to set the terms of use with attribution and the limitations about not using the material for commercial purposes.
If the CCCL is applied to Wes' stories the way it shows on the web pages for 'Susan' it means I can lawfully download a copy of the webpage then make a thousand copies to hand them out to my friends, but I can't sell them to anyone.
I'm sure Wes meant to retain the copyright of the stories to himself and his heirs, but the way it appears places doubts as to what the CCCL applies to. That's why I think the info on the CCCL should be relocated for each story. I think it should also be removed from any other places on the website.
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The copyright for the image should be on the same page as the copyright for the story and it applies to the whole story, and it should be clear it applies to the image. In my books I have"
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Story Title
Copyright © 2018 by Ernest Bywater
This is a work of fiction. All the characters and events portrayed in this book are fictional, and any resemblance to real people or incidents is purely coincidental. All rights are reserved by the author, including the right to reproduce this book or portions thereof in any form.
Product names, brands, and other trademarks referred to within this book are the property of their respective trademark holders. Unless otherwise specified there is no association between the author and any trademark holder is expressed or implied. Nor does it express any endorsement by them, or of them. Use of a term in this book should not be regarded as affecting the validity of any trademark, service mark, or registered trademark.
Cover Art
The background image is cgbc_smokegun1.jpg from the Lulu Cover Art folder, and is used with their permission, with Calatrava1.jpg by Jeff Muscato which he placed in the public domain. The adding of text, manipulation, and merging is done by Ernest Bywater. All rights to the cover image are reserved by the copyright owners.
end quote
This way I clearly claim my copyright on the story, attribute the source of the image, and re-assert each person involved with the composite image retains their individual rights to their parts of the image.
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Post by K Pelle on Aug 13, 2018 2:13:51 GMT -5
I recall e-mailing Wes about this exact question because at that time I was writing "Car 54, " which dealt with dirt track racing. I also sent him a rough copy because of his stories on the same subject at that time. He sent me a copy of his rough and pointed out his "Creative Commons" copyright and underline part of it as follows "Creative Commons Attribution-Noncommercial-No Derivative Works 3.0 United States License". I took that to mean that he was asking me NOT to link my story to his in any way - which was fine by me.
K Pelle
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Post by K Pelle on Aug 13, 2018 2:37:52 GMT -5
Oops, forgot to include the fact that I assumed that he considered a "Creative Commons Attribution-Noncommercial-No Derivative Works 3.0 United States License" to be effective for his purposes. Since Wes owned and operated a newspaper, I assumed he knew EXACTLY what he was doing.
K Pelle
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Post by Ernest Bywater on Aug 22, 2018 8:40:34 GMT -5
I recall e-mailing Wes about this exact question because at that time I was writing "Car 54, " which dealt with dirt track racing. I also sent him a rough copy because of his stories on the same subject at that time. He sent me a copy of his rough and pointed out his "Creative Commons" copyright and underline part of it as follows "Creative Commons Attribution-Noncommercial-No Derivative Works 3.0 United States License". I took that to mean that he was asking me NOT to link my story to his in any way - which was fine by me. K Pelle
Interesting you mention Car 54, as I'm in the middle of re-reading it while waiting for the rest of the Hand of Dunn stories to be finished. Now back to Creative Commons Licenses. The Noncommercial and No Derivative variants means people can't do fan fiction type stuff from it and they can't do anything commercial with it. Sadly, what it does do is open the door for people to hand out free copies of the work to others, which is why I don't apply Creative Commons to my works unless I'm allowing that. However, I can get the same effect by simply giving them permission to distribute copies. I suspect part of the issue with the Creative Commons Copyright in the USA is the way the US Copyright laws are written and the need to pay a fee to register a manuscript with the authorities to get it copyright protected while just noting the Creative Commons Copyright gives protections that are very similar without having to pay the fee. To be sure you'd need to check with a US copyright lawyer. I know I'm glad my stories are all covered by Australian and / or Canadian copyright laws which are more comprehensive and less cost. |
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Post by K Pelle on Aug 22, 2018 22:19:15 GMT -5
Interesting you mention Car 54, as I'm in the middle of re-reading it while waiting for the rest of the Hand of Dunn stories to be finished. Now back to Creative Commons Licenses. The Noncommercial and No Derivative variants means people can't do fan fiction type stuff from it and they can't do anything commercial with it. Sadly, what it does do is open the door for people to hand out free copies of the work to others, which is why I don't apply Creative Commons to my works unless I'm allowing that. However, I can get the same effect by simply giving them permission to distribute copies. I suspect part of the issue with the Creative Commons Copyright in the USA is the way the US Copyright laws are written and the need to pay a fee to register a manuscript with the authorities to get it copyright protected while just noting the Creative Commons Copyright gives protections that are very similar without having to pay the fee. To be sure you'd need to check with a US copyright lawyer. I know I'm glad my stories are all covered by Australian and / or Canadian copyright laws which are more comprehensive and less cost. To be honest I only use copyright to prevent trolls from reposting my work for commercial use - I write to please myself and allow others read it for free, but I'm not about to put money into the pockets of thieves and scoundrels.
As for the "Hand of Dunn," - I work on that and other tales when I can, but Real Life has interfered. Between Health, Family and Editing issues, my writing has taken a back page - well to be honest, my converting what I have written to .html, getting the .html edited and posting it when it is ready is what has taken a **** kicking. In other words several chapters of a few of my stories are saved to memory, but they aren't quite ready to post yet.
KP
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Post by Ernest Bywater on Aug 24, 2018 6:31:31 GMT -5
KP,
I see we have the same basic attitudes to writing and the same hurdles at the moment.
If I can help out with some text to basic html conversion for you, just let me know.
Ernest
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Post by K Pelle on Aug 27, 2018 1:39:09 GMT -5
KP, I see we have the same basic attitudes to writing and the same hurdles at the moment. If I can help out with some text to basic html conversion for you, just let me know. Ernest Sorry, not interested - I've no problems with html conversion. |
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